On the airport tape that night: Roanin Podkin and Dennis Yu.
Jason Amato invited me onto Mt Bierstadt with operators from his Operations Mastery Lab. The cardboard on the rocks said 14,065. That night Dennis Yu and I sat at Denver International Airport until my 7:20.


Jason invited me
Jason runs Power Crew out of Omaha. After the Operations Mastery Lab he said come hike a 14er, eat triple cheeseburgers, talk about life, wake up at 5. On the airport tape Dennis’s line is: that sounds like a friend. HVAC owners already in that room see you among people they trust. Then they will hear the product.
What we talked about on the mountain
Entrepreneurial spirit and values. Retirement, for me, is when you stop sacrificing today for tomorrow. That is on my wall. Dennis retired at 25 by that definition of freedom. I said I think I can get there too if the tastes are not extravagant.
Roanin Podkin: We bonded on the mountain over entrepreneurial spirit and values.
Dennis Yu: Jason said come hike a 14er. That does not sound like a salesperson. That sounds like a friend.
The sister page is the full airport interview, same two names on the tape. This page is the hike.
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